Hopefully the final chapter in this, but i doubt it.
Cathiee McMillan was forced out of BSG-21 and wrote a blog like i have done. She was asked to remove it and she did. She moved on. The below is a very low blow on the part of BSG-21 admin, specifically Brantley Denimore, whom has been reported to be operated by 3 different people and has so far refused a challange to indentify themselves.
This is what he wrote.
"What says a lot is that you and Kaz are obssessed with BSG-21. MONTHS after you were pitched out on your ass.
I have told Kazimie, and I have told yevka and now I'm telling you.
Get over it. Stop talking to each other, those of you outside of bsg21 disengage and stop talking about.
Over the past two weeks Kazmie and yevka have sent a series of messages to each other, conducting a long running, STUPID battle.
Tell, is this harassment, or is it two stupid people fighting. Bottom line is nobody harassed anybody. Two people could not give each other the last word.
Yoiur spin Cathiee is ridiculous. Nobody from BSG-21 has bothered you in months. I have successfully gotten yevka to promise to let this go. She has cut off communication with Kazimie and has not written to Cathiee in months.
What says a lot here is you are both still on this thing. Kazimie hasn't been in the sim for months but its written in her SL profile an shes blogging on it. Before I stopped monitoring it, Cathiee was still writing about 21.
How sick is that?
Try living your own lives instead of someone elses.
If you continue to try and abuse this email address, I will pull a "yevka" I will program this account to bounce all your messages straight back at you.
Cathiee, you will never be contacted by 21 in an official way and you will never be re-admitted into the sim, no matter how much you whine, moan or obsess about it.
Kazimie, as a founder yevka has apologized for you and laid out the conditions under which you may be re-admitted. Please, Kazimie, don't meet those conditions. I am required by sim ownership to offer my good offices to set up a meeting and settle this dispute.
I'm done with this.
If either of you reply, it will be the last time you get a message inbound into this account.
Regards,
Brantley Denimore "
This is my response:
"After reading Yevkas email, i decided to think how to end this peacefully. After reading this, you pissed me off.
Saying that i haven't been in sim alot is rich comming from a spotty faced little oik that disappears before or during a bit of RP he made causing everyone to abandon it because no one knows what going on. And who the hell are you? You waltz in one day and the regulars don't see much of you because of the fact you keep logging out. I know this myself, because i was there a HELL of alot more than you. You have no idea what i did for the sim, what happened after the Julian incident or what my duties were as a player who offered the sim financial backing again IF RP in the euro zone was given more thought! Keep that in mind the next time you decide to talk.
I appologise to Cathiee for brining her into this like i did, Shayna ask me to keep her in the loop so i forwarded a previous email and it seems i clicked yours somehow, for that I appologise. Brant, get your sodding facts right before you bring people into somthing like this, Cathiee ended her blog on BSG-21 and hasn't written anything about it since. To imply she is still writing is a down right lie and slander. I really hope you do not reprisent the entire andmin team should this one bit escelate.
You can try to bribe me as much as you want, the fact is you cant offer me the one thing i want, proper good RP. No flying crap or anything else would have even peaked my intreast. As for harassment, Im telling you what i told Yevka I will reply to any and all email sent to me, no more no less. Do not want me to talk to you, do not talk to me. Its that simple.
Having said that, this is what i propose. You and BSG-21 admin stop harassing me and anyone else no longer associated with the sim, i don't ask for my name to be removed from the sim web site, MY blog and bio will remain until I decide to change it or add to it and everyone leaves each other alone. No compromise, take it or leave it but think very carefully, BSG-21 is suffering because Yevka is dealing with me on a daily baisis and this is a one time offer. I am doing to you what BSG-21 did for BSG-47. Because of our sim 47 got its act together and its a much better sim that it was. You can decide, make 21 better and prove me wrong or go after me. I personally hope you choose the latter, If you want to join in this debate i have a friends list full of people who BSG-21 slighted and are meaner than me, you want to have a fight you will get one and you will loose. I myself am going to leave this and wait and see what you do. If you accept the above, you wont hear from me.
Reply to me in the wrong way and all bets are off for the entire sim this time and i will go on the offensive, no waiting for an email to come, no keeping it in to a small group.
Screw with my friends again and i will burry you!"
Under the sircumstances, it is fair of me to say that isnt it? Wouldnt stand up to your friends against a bully? Even the sim owner of BSG-21 has stated this was a low blow on his/her part.
Here is the response my original email is in Italics while his spliced one is normal spliced with his is normal, the ape couldnt write a proper email.
"After reading Yevkas email, i decided to think how to end this peacefully. After reading this, you pissed me off. Saying that i haven't been in sim alot is rich comming from a spotty faced little oik that disappears before or during a bit of RP he made causing everyone to abandon it because no one knows what going on. And who the hell are you? You waltz in one day and the regulars don't see much of you because of the fact you keep logging out. I know this myself, because i was there a HELL of alot more than you. You have no idea what i did for the sim, what happened after the Julian incident or what my duties were as a player who offered the sim financial backing again IF RP in the euro zone was given more thought! Keep that in mind the next time you decide to talk. I appologise to Cathiee for brining her into this like i did, Shayna ask me to keep her in the loop so i forwarded a previous email and it seems i clicked yours somehow, for that I appologise. Brant, get your sodding facts right before you bring people into somthing like this, Cathiee ended her blog on BSG-21 and hasn't written anything about it since. To imply she is still writing is a down right lie and slander. I really hope you do not reprisent the entire andmin team should this one bit escelate. You can try to bribe me as much as you want, the fact is you cant offer me the one thing i want, proper good RP.
Nobody wants to bribe you. I would be surprised to see you actually role play. The only thing I ever saw you do in 21 is fly.
No flying crap or anything else would have even peaked my intreast. As for harassment, Im telling you what i told Yevka I will reply to any and all email sent to me, no more no less. Do not want me to talk to you, do not talk to me. Its that simple.
Non sequitor. Please don't bother explaining it.
Having said that, this is what i propose. You and BSG-21 admin stop harassing me and anyone else no longer associated with the sim, i don't ask for my name to be removed from the sim web site, MY blog and bio will remain until I decide to change it or add to it and everyone leaves each other alone. No compromise, take it or leave it but think very carefully,
Nobody has harassed you at any time. That being said, yevka has promised to cease communicating with you. I have no interest in communicating with you further.
BSG-21 is suffering because Yevka is dealing with me on a daily baisis and this is a one time offer. I am doing to you what BSG-21 did for BSG-47. Because of our sim 47 got its act together and its a much better sim that it was. You can decide, make 21 better and prove me wrong or go after me. I personally hope you choose the latter, If you want to join in this debate i have a friends list full of people who BSG-21 slighted and are meaner than me, you want to have a fight you will get one and you will loose. I myself am going to leave this and wait and see what you do. If you accept the above, you wont hear from me.
Please don't change your profile or your blogs. I don't want to hear from you.
The great Cornholio says: "Are you threatening me?" I'm laughing now. " (This is the best quip he can come up with? RETARD!!! (( Please note, this is not refered to people who have a disability or down syndrome. I work with people like this on a regular basis and at no point see them as Retarded or handycapped. My definition of Retard is saved for people like Brantley))).
"Reply to me in the wrong way and all bets are off for the entire sim this time and i will go on the offensive, no waiting for an email to come, no keeping it in to a small group. Screw with my friends again and i will burry you!
Threaten yevka or my communicty again and you will learn what a counter offensive is. I believe you have in your threats above violated TOS for SL.
Now that I've responded to your threats I will say, the proposal part of your email has merit. Nobody from BSG-21 leadership will be communicating with you again in the future. If you decide to modify your blogs and SL profile, I will notify BSG-21 leadership and drop the ban. I'm hoping you don't change a thing. I don't have a large number of requests for readmitting Kazimie Alderson or Cathiee because of their brilliant role play or because they are people we "must have" in sim "
Brantley, a small thing you seem to have missed or couldnt read properly. At what point did I say i wanted back in the sim? At what point did Cathiee McMillan say she wanted back in the sim? We didnt, we dont. Stop deluding yourself and go get some reading and writing skills, obviously you have not grasped the idea, WE DONT WANT BACK! Understand Mongo? We dont want back, we left on our own accord. Left it a bit late to ban us considering WE DONT BELONG TO YOU! WE ARE NOT IN THE SIM ANYMORE! WE DONT WANT BACK IN UNDER THESE CONDITIONS! WE DONT WANT BACK IN! And my "brilliant" RP, goes alot further back than yours, to before the very begining of BSG-2. You on the other hand log off before or halfway through. I dont think i will be learning from the master on this one.
Another thing before i end this? Are you sure it is your community? You may be the head of it, but after the head admin/Owner Yevka said it was a low blow bringing Cathiee into this, i really dont think anyone shares your grand vision of things.
Thursday 19 February 2009
Wednesday 18 February 2009
Yet more BSG-21 material.
Tried moving away from the BSG-21 group and only respond to emails made by other people and not send them out before. But they just wont leave it, heres what i just got.
To: Kazimie AldersonFr: Leadership ov BSG-21
Miss Alderson.
You have been banned from BSG-21.
Your continued harassment of members of our leadership team and inflamatory information posted to your user profile are violations of our code of conduct.
Your contributions as a founder are recognized, however you have not been a positve, contritbuting member since September when I first met you.
It is my belief, and the belief of the leadership that your actions are contrary to the spirit of the community. Until these actions cease, the ban will remain in place.
Your avatar is part of the history of this simulator, and will remain a part of that history. By participating in the simulator these logs became property of the simulator. To remove them would harm that rich history. Therefore your request or demand that we do so is denied.
If you wish to have the ban removed, or to participate positively in this community, two things will need to happen.
1) Your SL profile will need to be modified to remove negative statements concerning ownershp and leadership of BSG-21
2) You will need to cease harassment of our ownership or members.
Thank you for your past contributions to BSG-21
Regards,
Brantley DenimoreBSG-21 Leadership
Anyone who wants them, i will give you any and all emails and IM's from Second Life Avatars reguarding this situation. Here is my response to the above email.
thank you for you email however i would like to make the following clear.
1. After leaving BSG-21, i made no attempt at causing harm or harrasment to any of your members. Yevka Miller however engagement in what i can call harrasment behaviour and have only responded to emails sent to me and have not made any emails without first recieveing one. This is documented and can/will provide proof of this.
2. I announced my intention to leave the sim and ask for the removal of my name from your website. I also stated that i no longer gave permission for my name to be used to promote your website. My name has appeared on your website after i widthdrew my consent.
3. My actions have been in response to harrasment and statements made by your admin that have been proven to be both inaccurate and false, not only from my records but also from various other sources that have conveniently left the sim over time or were banned for behaviour your admin has been photographed doing, i was not the photographer as the incident in question allegedly happend on times i was not on and have not set foot in the sim since i left.
4.I will not talk to a Proxy mister Denimore, Yevka has stated your account is used by atleast 4 people. Identify yourself first sir/madam.
5. Because of harrasment and continuing harrasment from Yevka and Admin staff, My bio and Blog will not be touched.
6. I have not harrased any members of the sim. Those i have contacted were names given to me by head Admin and replies to said messages were provided to head admin as a reply. At no point did i make any negative comments though i did ask about the Sim as stated in emails head admin has a copy of.
7. COC does not apply to people who do not have an affiliation with your sim. IE, the bio i posted was made after i recieved harrasment from your sim and the blog was poster after continued assault from your head admin.
To be Clear. I did not escelate the situation, BSG-21 Admin and Ownership did that, documented in recieved IM's. I have not sent IMs to any memeber of BSG-21 players, admins or owners unless i was directed to or have recieved an IM or email first.
The blog and bio will remain until harrasment from BSG-21 community is stopped, current and future use of my name is stoped being used to promote your sim in SL and on the website. A copy of this email will be posted on my blog and any and all emails recieved will be made available to anyone that requests them.
To: Kazimie AldersonFr: Leadership ov BSG-21
Miss Alderson.
You have been banned from BSG-21.
Your continued harassment of members of our leadership team and inflamatory information posted to your user profile are violations of our code of conduct.
Your contributions as a founder are recognized, however you have not been a positve, contritbuting member since September when I first met you.
It is my belief, and the belief of the leadership that your actions are contrary to the spirit of the community. Until these actions cease, the ban will remain in place.
Your avatar is part of the history of this simulator, and will remain a part of that history. By participating in the simulator these logs became property of the simulator. To remove them would harm that rich history. Therefore your request or demand that we do so is denied.
If you wish to have the ban removed, or to participate positively in this community, two things will need to happen.
1) Your SL profile will need to be modified to remove negative statements concerning ownershp and leadership of BSG-21
2) You will need to cease harassment of our ownership or members.
Thank you for your past contributions to BSG-21
Regards,
Brantley DenimoreBSG-21 Leadership
Anyone who wants them, i will give you any and all emails and IM's from Second Life Avatars reguarding this situation. Here is my response to the above email.
thank you for you email however i would like to make the following clear.
1. After leaving BSG-21, i made no attempt at causing harm or harrasment to any of your members. Yevka Miller however engagement in what i can call harrasment behaviour and have only responded to emails sent to me and have not made any emails without first recieveing one. This is documented and can/will provide proof of this.
2. I announced my intention to leave the sim and ask for the removal of my name from your website. I also stated that i no longer gave permission for my name to be used to promote your website. My name has appeared on your website after i widthdrew my consent.
3. My actions have been in response to harrasment and statements made by your admin that have been proven to be both inaccurate and false, not only from my records but also from various other sources that have conveniently left the sim over time or were banned for behaviour your admin has been photographed doing, i was not the photographer as the incident in question allegedly happend on times i was not on and have not set foot in the sim since i left.
4.I will not talk to a Proxy mister Denimore, Yevka has stated your account is used by atleast 4 people. Identify yourself first sir/madam.
5. Because of harrasment and continuing harrasment from Yevka and Admin staff, My bio and Blog will not be touched.
6. I have not harrased any members of the sim. Those i have contacted were names given to me by head Admin and replies to said messages were provided to head admin as a reply. At no point did i make any negative comments though i did ask about the Sim as stated in emails head admin has a copy of.
7. COC does not apply to people who do not have an affiliation with your sim. IE, the bio i posted was made after i recieved harrasment from your sim and the blog was poster after continued assault from your head admin.
To be Clear. I did not escelate the situation, BSG-21 Admin and Ownership did that, documented in recieved IM's. I have not sent IMs to any memeber of BSG-21 players, admins or owners unless i was directed to or have recieved an IM or email first.
The blog and bio will remain until harrasment from BSG-21 community is stopped, current and future use of my name is stoped being used to promote your sim in SL and on the website. A copy of this email will be posted on my blog and any and all emails recieved will be made available to anyone that requests them.
Friday 30 January 2009
Blog of the first. BSG-21 and why i am here
Well here i am, 1 year into Second Life and what a Crappy year it has been.
Ok i admit it, i have met some intreasting people and have got into some really nice groups and events based in Second Life, but the flip side of the coin really hasnt made it worth it.
Dont get me wrong, Secoond Life is a fantastic tool to bring people and ideas together and help everyone get along in a real and virtual world either to reach out and say hello to someone or to have some fun.
Both of which, i have had not much luck with.
I am an avid RPG fan and a series of groups in Second life really peaked my intreast. One day me and a friend decided to start our on RPG sim based on the new series of battlestar Galactica, just as somthing to do and have a good time making and sharing our love of the series with other like minded people. The 1st month went really well, got alot of talant in and people wanting to participate in SL's 2nd BSG sim, BSG-47 being the first, and we really got cracking. BSG-21 was born.
As soon as things started to slowly get going, thats when things started to go wrong. A minor disagrement here, a comment there really turned nasty. I have disagreements with people, but everyone i have disagreed with knows its for a valid point and i correct myself if proven worng. Unfortunatly not everyone is like that. After the 1st month, the Admin team and head builder decided to fall out completly and she ends up leaving along with a few others. The sim looses a few players and a good builder and I loose a good friend. Never the less we carried on. Again another comment here another remark there, another good friend of mine dissapears only this time, it was a deliberate attack on here.
Naturally being pissed off about the whole thing, i become a "one-man linch mob" and begin poking and proding the BSG-21 community, being a part owner gave me the right before you ask. Eventually another friend of mine logged on and after telling him what had happend, in so many words to my disgust, "Yeah i know and i hope the other two leave soon aswell" (didnt go like this but to avoid certain rules and regulations, im trying to keep names out of this for now), and so i gave up my share of the sim and left.
Not long after, my good friend and collegue got me back into the sim as i wanted to give it another go and help out with problems they were having with budget and Euro time zone Roleplay. Really did try to get the ball rolling but logging onto an empty sim at peak Euro times and getting no reply to calls on open chat, really didnt boost my moral, nor did the numerous attempts at asking for a list of Euro members so i can properly group them and send them all out of SL messages to try and start somthing off.
That was strike 3 and i decided to leave once more with little gained and alot lost.
I suppose really, i want to know why people cant get along? You go to a social gathering in real life and talk to someone you might get on well with or you may not. But if you disagree about somthing, it does not blow up like i have just mentiond does it?
Roleplay in Second life is more or less on hold for me at the time being, so blogging and more second life Flickr photos will have to do for now.
More to follow, FREAK OUT!
Ok i admit it, i have met some intreasting people and have got into some really nice groups and events based in Second Life, but the flip side of the coin really hasnt made it worth it.
Dont get me wrong, Secoond Life is a fantastic tool to bring people and ideas together and help everyone get along in a real and virtual world either to reach out and say hello to someone or to have some fun.
Both of which, i have had not much luck with.
I am an avid RPG fan and a series of groups in Second life really peaked my intreast. One day me and a friend decided to start our on RPG sim based on the new series of battlestar Galactica, just as somthing to do and have a good time making and sharing our love of the series with other like minded people. The 1st month went really well, got alot of talant in and people wanting to participate in SL's 2nd BSG sim, BSG-47 being the first, and we really got cracking. BSG-21 was born.
As soon as things started to slowly get going, thats when things started to go wrong. A minor disagrement here, a comment there really turned nasty. I have disagreements with people, but everyone i have disagreed with knows its for a valid point and i correct myself if proven worng. Unfortunatly not everyone is like that. After the 1st month, the Admin team and head builder decided to fall out completly and she ends up leaving along with a few others. The sim looses a few players and a good builder and I loose a good friend. Never the less we carried on. Again another comment here another remark there, another good friend of mine dissapears only this time, it was a deliberate attack on here.
Naturally being pissed off about the whole thing, i become a "one-man linch mob" and begin poking and proding the BSG-21 community, being a part owner gave me the right before you ask. Eventually another friend of mine logged on and after telling him what had happend, in so many words to my disgust, "Yeah i know and i hope the other two leave soon aswell" (didnt go like this but to avoid certain rules and regulations, im trying to keep names out of this for now), and so i gave up my share of the sim and left.
Not long after, my good friend and collegue got me back into the sim as i wanted to give it another go and help out with problems they were having with budget and Euro time zone Roleplay. Really did try to get the ball rolling but logging onto an empty sim at peak Euro times and getting no reply to calls on open chat, really didnt boost my moral, nor did the numerous attempts at asking for a list of Euro members so i can properly group them and send them all out of SL messages to try and start somthing off.
That was strike 3 and i decided to leave once more with little gained and alot lost.
I suppose really, i want to know why people cant get along? You go to a social gathering in real life and talk to someone you might get on well with or you may not. But if you disagree about somthing, it does not blow up like i have just mentiond does it?
Roleplay in Second life is more or less on hold for me at the time being, so blogging and more second life Flickr photos will have to do for now.
More to follow, FREAK OUT!
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